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Tuesday, 8 July 2008

Boom!

An Australian is visiting Northern Ireland and he’s heard from some mates back home that he has to be careful which religion he claims to be while he is there. He walks into a bar one night and is not quite sure if it’s a Catholic or Protestant place so he plays it quietly and sits at the end of the bar minding his own business.

After a few pints he needs to take a piss so he slinks off to the toilet, making sure not to make eye contact with any of the regulars. As he is doing his business he hears someone behind him and then suddenly a sharp knife is pressing against his ribs.

“Are you Protestant or Catholic” says the unknown man.

“Neither,” says the quick thinking Aussie, “I’m Jewish”

“Wow,” says the unknown man, “If I’m not the luckiest Arab in Belfast”


You ever been in a situation where everyone is telling jokes about a certain topic and you have one ready then just as the conversation lulls some fucker changes the subject and you don’t get the chance to tell it? I had that the other day, but I have a fucking blog so I’m going to tell it anyways. Take that front bar of the Velizy Holiday Inn. Samboy has the last word.

The joke topic was Northern Ireland but the preceding serious topic was IRA terrorism. Being an Australian almost completely ignorant of ‘the troubles’ there I pretty much sat back in listened. To do an injustice to the intelligent people I was speaking with I will bastardly sum up the discussion with the paraphrase “We had our 9/11 back in 1980.”

Now I was speaking to a bunch of Poms here, and they were specifically speaking about London living under the threat of terrorist bombings by the IRA. I must say that the atrocities on both sides were amply covered, but for the purposes of this discussion I’m only talking about the bombings in London. As I said I know next to nothing about the specifics of the situation but it was interesting to contrast the lack of hysteria they showed when they then talked about the actual September 11 attacks. I’m sure more knowledgeable people can correct me but London was under the constant threat of terrorist bombings for much of the 1980s.

I then happened upon a BBC World Service documentary series that was examining The Troubles and the massive contrast between the situation of thirty years ago and the situation now. They were interviewing folks on both sides of the arena and comparing their attitudes back then to what they are saying now.

The message stressed the most by the representatives on both sides who were interviewed was that dialog was the key to the whole Northern Ireland solution. Without dialog, without bringing the two sides together to talk there would still be a massive renegade army in Northern Ireland.

As you can probably guess I’m about to draw parallels with today’s terrorism situation. But why the hell wouldn’t you? Every bunch of bastards out there fighting a war is doing it for some cause they believe in, but I’m sure ninety percent of them would rather be working for the Post Office and going home to their families with all their limbs. A negotiated cease fire is a better for everyone.

This much is obvious, but the problem lies with blanket statements like “We will not negotiate with terrorists” and “you’re with us or against us” being spewed by the world’s seemingly number-one terrorist negotiator, the USA.

Israel negotiates with Hamas, the Sir Lankan government negotiates with the Tamils, the British negotiated with the IRA and the US better fucking negotiate with the loose collection that is called the ‘Iraqi Insurgency’.

The silly thing is that it is almost certain that this negotiation is going on between the US forces and the Iraqi Humvee bombers, but it cannot be talked about publicly because the US does not negotiate with terrorists. The sooner this backroom peacemaking can be brought to the headlines the better in my opinion.

The phrase “One man’s Terrorist is another man’s Freedom Fighter” is not new but I think it should be in the back of everyone’s minds when we think about the wars currently being fought around the globe. I’ll throw out a request to my Histbusting friend Tom to highlight the various historical terrorist groups that we hold in good favour.

What I’m trying to say in too many words is that the discussion of the resolution in Northern Ireland where a terrorist army, fighting against a government, laid down their guns and found an amicable solution has given me hope that finding peace in Iraq is possible. Rather than the thousand ‘lessons learn’ examples out there we have a ‘best practice’ example, and I think the yanks should run with it.

20 Comments:

  • Ah, the Troubles. I remember them well. When I was a kid in London, there were no litter bins in the entire CBD, television stations were banned from playing the words (or even showing them) spoken by Gerry Adams, and often the trains would shut down, and Mum would be hours late from work, because of a bomb scare.

    I must say the situation now is a lot better.

    I agree with what you said, Sam. Why would any rational person choose to live a life of violence, unless they were damned angry about something? And we can't just say, 'They're not rational, they're fucking bonkers', because then you'd expect every country that has mad people (all of them) to have terrorist maniacs running around.

    Peace can only come when all players feel they have a stake in the maintenance of that peace. Negotiation is the key to this.

    As for yesterday's terrorists who have become today's freedom fighters - what about that saintly gentleman, Mr Mandela - former head of the armed wing of the ANC? (He was only dropped from the US Terror List last month...)

    However, saying that, I don't think we'll be seeing Brian May play guitar at the 90th birthday bash for Osama Bin Laden. But stranger things have happened.

    By Blogger Tommy G, At 8 July 2008 14:55  

  • Why Northern Ireland Sam??? The Irish give me the sh*ts... However given I have experienced living in Belfast I have a comment or two.

    While it is reasonable to expect that solutions for problems such as 'The Troubles' can be solved through negotiations, it is also important to remember that in the midst of every conflict stands a man or a group of people who will gain some form of benefit if the conflict continues. This is why the Norn Iron problem still exists today. Paramilitary organizations make a profit from the ‘Troubles’; they run drugs; they extort money; and they do all sorts of other horrible things to gain money and power in the communities they terrorize. I saw it while I was there and it made me cross to think that the outside world see the problem as being one based around religion. I am not saying that religion wasn’t the cause of the problem, or that the bloody English didn’t go into a country that didn’t belong to them and ruin said potato party. As long as the ‘war’ continues, those who run the paramilitary orgs will continue to make money out of the suffering of others.

    I am quite racialist against the Irish but I don’t believe the problem in NI is fixed and I don’t think the paramilitary orgs in NI have stopped making money.

    AR

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 8 July 2008 16:35  

  • Northern Ireland was never, ever about religion...just as very few conflicts in history have been about religion. They are usually about land and power. Religion makes a convenient excuse. Ditto for the current crap about fundamentalist Islam.

    By Blogger Tommy G, At 9 July 2008 10:55  

  • yeah i know tom but whenever people talk about the 'troubles' they refer to it being a catholic vs proddy problem.

    i miss soda bread.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 9 July 2008 13:40  

  • Thanks for the comments AR and Tom.

    Yeah, I did sort of neglect to mention the people who have a vested interesting in keeping conflict going so they can profit from it.

    I guess the optimistic view would be that as the real fighters, having come to an amicable agreement, turn away from violent resistance then those who only want to perpetuate the conflict regardless of the negotiations will be shunned. Then they will turn from resistance fighters into mere criminals, without the political and social backing they had previously.

    By Blogger Sam Cox, At 9 July 2008 17:05  

  • I think we need to call...the A-Team. They'll sort the world out.

    By Blogger Tommy G, At 9 July 2008 19:16  

  • I think there are issues with public negotiation when one side are going to look idiotic. Being a polly is about the pubic persona, participating in debate allows people to poke that persona.

    For example:
    Day 1. USA vs Iraq Freedom Fighters
    Q FF: Why did you invade our country and kill our families in phosphor bomb attacks on on apartment blocks.
    A USA : 911, sorry WMDs, sorry Freedom!!!
    Q FF: Um, well we feel free no, can you guys just leave now.

    A USA : Terrorists, Hulk Smash!


    So, while the instigators of the clusterfuck still have stake in it's outcome they will not put themselves in a position where they be diminished in the eyes of their followers.

    A question to any history buffs in the audience. How many wars have ended with both sides backing down while the leaders that started war (on both sides) are still in power.

    By Blogger matware, At 9 July 2008 20:07  

  • What the fup is AR on about?

    The progress made in NI has been substantial since 1997. What war is she on about?
    The BBC reported last week that the IRA will be taken off the Banned Organisations List, effectively making it as dangerous as the boy scouts. The British Army has more or less pulled out after nearly 40 years of controversial engagement. However, the strongest gauge for progress besides above mentioned lack of violence is that Irish nationalists have regained some confidence in constitutional politics, how else could Sinn Fein have won 4 seats in parliament?
    And as far as Paramilitary organizations being involved with organised crime, come on AR, wake the fup up!. You don't have to go to NI to see that. What about the mob scene in Melbourne and bikie gangs in Adelaide? Organised crime has exited since God was a child, it is practically endemic to human society.
    I am not sure why AR has a problem with the Irish. Once can only speculate.(I am so tempted to put the boot in here)
    But the fact that the only problem she can see with NI is organised compared to the vast improvements made in the last decade or so give me the confidence to define AR as a naysayer. Bah Humbug!

    By Anonymous Perm de Derm, At 16 July 2008 12:29  

  • Perm de Derm (PDD)

    I (AR) have exercised my fupping right to contribute my opinion on a subject I have actual experience on to this debate. You are correct that Paramilitary organisations in their random forms are everywhere doing all sorts of things. I wasn’t wrong in referring to their activity in Norn Iron but perhaps next time I decide to weigh into an argument I should do an exhaustive search on every single thing related to the point I am choosing to make in order to satisfy your need for a complete overview.

    In regards to your boot comment - I would love you to put the boot in – rather than make weird, veiled threats with regards to my dislike of the Irish. Clearly I have my reasons but I would love you to make my life just that little bit more interesting and get stuck into it.

    And if I am a naysayer by contributing my views to this debate, then you are a fupper for using this forum as an excuse to make a personal attack. Get over yourself.

    AR

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 16 July 2008 12:52  

  • There was no exhaustive search to rebut your points, anyone with a keen interest in NI would have known the points that I made to counter your argument

    What personal attack? I explicitly declared that I would not make one.

    The only attacks I see on this forum are xenophobic and prejudiced remarks such, "The Irish give me the sh*ts" and "I am quite racialist against the Irish".

    Do you think such comments made against other ethnic groups ,e.g jews, afro-americans would be acceptable?
    I think you have dug your own hole here.

    By Anonymous Perm de Derm, At 16 July 2008 14:11  

  • Perm De Derm,

    Something tells me you are probably a midget from Norn Iron with a chip on your shoulder bigger than the dick stuck to your forehead.

    Like most Norn Iron wankers you clearly need an attitude readjustment. But given you are currently here in Australia, you dont have your Mother here to help you with that so are feeling a bit cross.

    You poor wee thing.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 17 July 2008 18:02  

  • Damn!
    I've been rumbled. I’ve been exposed for the Northern Irish midget with the phallus protruding from my forehead that I am. Damn, your powers of deduction are incredible.

    I see, that once again your emotions are getting the better of you. Your prejudices and assumptions are truly running havoc on you. You have yet to make any rational contribution to this debate. It’s ironic that you accuse me of having a chip on my shoulder. It is apparent that you bear a grudge against an entire race of people. Your bitterness is quite palpable.

    Just for the record

    1. I am not from Northern Ireland
    2. I am not a midget
    3. I do not have a member attached to my head.

    Next time you reply to this forum please stick to facts and rational arguments and try to refrain from petty cheap insults and anti-Irish sound bites and slogans.

    I will leave you to wallow in the cesspool of your own grudge bearing spiritually bankrupt and soul destroying loathing.

    P.S

    I’m going out on a limb here and this will be the only assumption I shall make, but can I take it you won't be out having a couple of pints on St Patricks day 2009?

    By Anonymous Perm De Derm, At 17 July 2008 19:55  

  • perm - you would be from the south then? even worse.

    still hate the irish.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 19 July 2008 14:44  

  • AR-you are a racist who is not worth the space on this page.

    Admit defeat when you've been done over for FECK'S sake.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 22 July 2008 21:58  

  • blah blah blah.

    i am not defeated.

    blah blah blah.

    still hate the irish.

    give up dickhead.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 23 July 2008 12:13  

  • AR! Stop it you troublemaker or you'll be on the next plane to Belfast.

    By Blogger Sam Cox, At 23 July 2008 14:59  

  • No! I wont stop! Teasing this Irish midget is the most fun I have ever had with an Irish person.

    Love AR xoxo

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 23 July 2008 16:59  

  • No! I wont stop! Teasing this Irish midget is the most fun I have ever had with an Irish person.

    Love AR xoxo

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 23 July 2008 16:59  

  • AR-If this is the most fun you have had in ages then I think that pretty much covers your sad,pathetic existence..

    I feel sorry for you,having to live inside your warped,docile,dull,dense and childish mind would be hell for anyone.

    Understandably you are upset,perhaps go find some crayons & draw some little pictures expressing your inner pain.

    There's a good little idiot.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, At 23 July 2008 22:07  

  • Stop being racist.

    fin

    By Blogger Sam Cox, At 24 July 2008 08:12  



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