I love arguing. Not the smashed bottles and finding broken teeth in your hand kind of arguing but the “good point”, “I never thought of that” or “you would say that commie” kind of arguing. Debating would be another word for it I suppose, but I think that lends it an air of dignity not appropriate to the level of intoxication I usually operate at.
There is a sliding scale in arguments. One the one hand there are two people who basically agree. They have the same conclusions but slightly different evidence to back it up so the conversation is basically a refresher course for both about how right they are. Interesting for a short period.
On the other hand you have two people who cannot even agree on a basic platform to start arguing on. There is nothing in common. Any statement that is seemingly fact on one side will be met with contempt on the other. In an attempt to find some common ground the two parties will regress further and further into the bases of their beliefs until they are debating the semantic bias of female verses male subjective pronouns.
Now I am a firm believer in the theory that the true test of your knowledge only comes when you argue with someone with a different opinion to your own. It’s only then that you find out what you truly know, but there comes a point when you are debating those so far from your own opinion that you have to cut it off and realise that there is no point in further discourse. I seem to have trouble finding that point.
As an example, I have a creationist Christian friend who I regularly have debates with. Have you ever had to argue the impossibility of Noah’s ark? Not just state that it is obviously impossible but actually get down and dirty and argue it? Working out the logistics of creating a craft that can hold the thousands of base species (one wolf created all dogs you see) needed to save the land animals during the great flood?
Many of you would have bailed out well before this but if you care to indulge someone willing to invoke science in this way and you’re not too careful about it you can find yourself suddenly losing what is to you a clearly absurd argument. It’s basically the equivalent of trying to mathematically define, off hand, the validity of the Fourier Transform from first principals. You know you are right, but you can see the mountain of effort needed to prove your point.
Today I was talking with a friend about some of the fringier natural medicines. I was wielding the well-blooded sword of the scientific method to cut through his anecdotal claims of the new super medicine he was espousing when I was broadsided with doubts about the validity of science itself. Suddenly I was forced to define and defend the basics of the scientific method as the best way of explaining and documenting the natural world. It’s either that or walk away, you see?
It annoys me so much because the argument is left unresolved when to me it so clearly should not be. What do you do when someone will not accept the validity of the seemingly well-accepted platform upon which you are basing your argument? Say ‘fuck off you’re clearly an idiot’ too early and you’re close-minded, too late and you’ll find yourself counting the number of generations since Adam.
I guess this is what motivates dictators, first against the wall and all.